Joker wrote:Bumping this thread as my discussion with Asden in a different thread caused me to realise that since watching DavidPro's anime adaptation of Stardust Crusaders, my opinion on this topic has completely changed.
Okay, when Joseph explains the concept he says that Stands are born from one's lifeforce (or "energy" in crunchyroll subs) right? DIO stole Jonathan's body and then gained his Stand using said body.
However, I believe The World is firmly DIO's Stand because we also know that the form Stands take are influenced by the user's psyche, for example Kira wanting to destroy all evidence of his crimes got Killer Queen. Therefore since Jonathan was long since dead, The World most likely doesn't take any influence from him but DIO, seeing as "High Voltage" was a thing, DIO can certainly manifest it without Jonathan.
But since The World was created using Jonathan's energy, it created a link to his descendants which subsequently awakened their Stands. Said descendants also gained abilities similar to those demonstrated by The World (Time Stop and Spirit Photos). Now whether you take that to mean Joseph and Jotaro got their abilities from DIO or he from them is up to you. I like to think it's the latter since that really goes well with the symbolism of the Tarot cards.
Also worthy of consideration is when DIO met Pucci and his miraculous healing of Pucci's club foot. Whether that was supposed to be a Stand ability (remember Josuke is alive at this point) or a previously unseen vampire ability is left to the viewer's imagination.
And I've been talking for way too long over mere conjecture. Still, it is fascinating to speculate even if we never get a solid answer.
So you mean that The World is capable of both Time Stop and Spirit Photos because of the link between DIO and Jonathan? And that Jotaro and Joseph's Stands influenced The World's? This was not my point of the discussion in the other thread, but I would not exactly believe that.
Not because I have any particular proof of it, but I think that Jonathan's spirit was still alive when DIO was pierced with the arrow, since DIO still had problems to completely control Jonathan's body, thus the Hermit Purple proxy. And when he awakened his own Stand, because of Jonathan's spirit, all the currently alive Joestars received a Stand, which one way or another reflect The World and Jonathan's Hamon powers, either in design or capabilities. The fact that this unnamed Stands remains unused must be that DIO did not have perfect control over it, and could only develop The World because that was in fact his Stand.
What I was talking about was from a more...narrative? point of view. What I meant was that Jonathan's Stand was just made so DIO could react to Joseph's own Spirit Photos, not that, if he ever had a Stand in Phantom Blood, it would be Hermit Purple. I believe that Araki used it only as a small plot device, just like he used Hermit Purple to find out that DIO was hiding in Egypt, and then left it up for interpretation since he wouldn't have had DIO with two Stands, that would make him even more unbeatable.
If the story of PB went the same way it did originally, but with Stands, I'm sure it would work like you say, Joseph and Jotaro's Stands influencing two powers for The World, instead of DIO having both his and Jonathan's Stand. Of course, this would also require a bit of a retouch in both Josuke and Giorno's story, but that's somewhat unrelated to the discussion.